Replacing CC with sand for dsb

[tazdevil]

A friend of mine, hearing about how much fun I had replacing my CC with sand (never could get all the cc out, what a PITA!), asked me if he could use this instead of doing it the long, slow, hard way. I've never heard of it, and I couldn't tell him yes or no, but seems strange-pre-packaged live sand. Here's the link:
http://www.naturesocean.com/

Click the live sand, and tell me what you think.

 

[Anonymous]

For what size tank? They sell that stuff here in the LFS' and it's kind of expensive. I can't imagine what it would cost to make a 4" DSB in a decent sized tank. He'd probably be better off getting his aragonite sand from http://www.purearagonite.com/ and then borrowing a cup of sand from an established tank. HTH

 

[Anonymous]

I doubt this stuff really has much advantage over dry aragonite. One thing I've always wondered though- if somebody has a CC layer thats not too deep, why not just place sand right on top of it? The CC would be buried withing the sand, all the spaces would be filled....somebody tell me this wouldn't work.

 

[Anonymous]

Dan,

I have responded to you on other threads, so I doubt that you will pay any attention. The large CC mixed in the bed impedes water and animal movement through the sand bed. Additionally, over time as the bed turns, the CC will rise to the top and further insulate the DSB from the water column. This is expalained in detail by Dr. Ron, but I know you are already smarter than he is. So I guess you should just try it.

 

[Anonymous]

Excuse me for having my own opinion and thoughts about things.

 

[Anonymous]

How does bashing Dr. Ron help?

 

[Anonymous]

Who said anything about Dr Ron?

 

[Anonymous]

Dan,
Your previous threads. So if you use a DSB, did you ever do any research before you started? If you did, the use of CC is discouraged.

 

[Anonymous]

Well, I'm not talking about him here, am I? Obviously CC is no good, I never used it. I was just wondering if it would be harmful to put sand on top of it instead of removing the CC. If it would move to the top as you suggest then thats probably a good reason to not do it.

I won't ponder things any more if its upsetting to you.

 

[Anonymous]

No you aren't upsetting me. It just wastes my time answering posts when you already know the answer. Is it a game to trap someone into responding or do you really want information? If you do, you might try reading some of the information on Dr. Ron's site and then if you still have questions, maybe someone will take the time to answer you.

 

[Anonymous]

If were talking about whether the CC migrates to the top or not, I did not know that it did. Although it seems reasonable, I still don't for sure- because I assume you have no particular experience with this and are just parroting something you thought Dr Ron might have said once. Please don't waste any more time answering my posts, I don't enjoy these pissing matches with you.

 

[Anonymous]

It just wastes my time answering posts when you already know the answer.

if it is a waste of your time, then why do you bother?

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah. You took the words right offa my fingers, Cor.

Laughing Boy, you have a rather condescending tone which wouldn't sit well with anyone. And, Dr. Ron's reputation precedes him for a reason, Dan isn't the only one who disagrees with much he has to say. In any event, answering a question and jumping someone's train because you're having a bad day are two different things. You really don't have to answer any questions, and there's no reason why you have call to behave this way towards Dan, unless you have a personal beef with him, in which case it should stay personal (not be aired here).

Dan, I have to agree with Laughing Boy's reasoning behind avoiding CC, but I will take this conversion thing a bit further for everyone and offer some tips..well, one tip at least. PANTYHOSE.

Put the sand you wish to use into clean hose, and bury it in the CC. It'll look weird for a while, but after a short period of time the CC can be very easily removed without leaving a bit in with the sand. The CC, in any event, would migrate to the top of the sand, and if the bed isn't completely/deeply covered with CC there's no reason why some can't be left in.

I hope that helps anyone else who wants to replace but can't figure out how to prevent this mixing of the substrata.

 

[Anonymous]

Because he asked, and I was dumb enough to think he really wanted an answer. Do you?

 

[Anonymous]

Well, I suppose that I haven't exactly encountered the same "problem" you have. So, no, I don't agree with that.

I am STUNNED, however, that you said...

...and I was dumb enough to think he really wanted an answer.

8O
You don't mind that I have my own nick for ya, do you? You're just so charming.

 

[Robin Goodfellow]

The large CC mixed in the bed impedes water and animal movement through the sand bed. Additionally, over time as the bed turns, the CC will rise to the top and further insulate the DSB from the water column. This is expalained in detail by Dr. Ron...

hi.
If you say someone explained this, please provide a link because Ron had comment on many things, and I can never remember most of them. Thanx.

 

[Anonymous]

Because he asked, and I was dumb enough to think he really wanted an answer. Do you?

You did give an answer, and that was fine. Why do you feel you have to also include rudeness into a discussion on a pretty straightforward topic? To the best of my recollection I posted in one thread some doubts about something Dr Ron said. Now that has to dog me forever?

I have never used CC and never indicated that I have. But sometimes I hear people talking about the difficulty pulling out CC beds to put in sand and I was wondering if that step was really necessary. Seems like a reasonable question to me.

 

[Anonymous]

Robin G- He has a forum on RC.

 

[tazdevil]

Knock it off.

I didnt start this thread looking for a flame war, and I got my info in the first few posts. I request this thread closed.